Good. Yell at her for a change.
Everyone yell and get it out of your system! Then we can start over with a trusting relationship! yay!
TV says this should work 😉
To be fair, kidnapped.
Yeah, where deception is concerned Ethma has no leg to stand on.
Question: how many on board actually walked on by themselves and how many were taken for safety?
Check and mate.
I will need to go back and reread, but Ethma has not Blatantly deceived her Human charges. She might be responsible for atleast part of the Abduction, but she also did so believing that something horribly wrong (read extinction level) was about to befall humanity. Which is the only reason she or her race went to intercede at all. Now weather that is the Ith Invasion that is likely to happen, or perhaps they will just obliterate humanity, we don’t know.
The mission of preservation of the human race changed when the Exodus literally exploded in front her and Endi, note that we still have not gotten the reasons for why or How that ship exploded (Other than some sort of Sabotage) which probably contained thousands of Fiah or more considering the size of the ship, which was almost as large as our Moon, and the amount of space that the Fiah can distort even into something no larger than a minivan the death that Ethma just witnessed was probably staggering.
I guess the point of all this is to say that the Faih had good intentions (wich seems to be there thing) an while I’m not in the situation myself to say that I would feel the same way as Patricia and the other humans on board, at this moment I empathize a lot more with Ethma right now then I do Pat. Ethma, Endi and the entire Faih culture might have screwed up, but there is something to be said for trying to make it right.
Yeah Pat just shut yer mouf you’re getting yourself in shit right now :V
Hah. Bird joke. Seriously, possibly my fav alt text so far.
Nice to see that Ethma is letting Patricia know that she is not an idiot, and their personal butt monkey flight attendant.
Would someone be so kind as to provide a link to the conversation Ethma is referring to?
Ch9, pgs 7-9
As opposed to how enormously insulting it is to kidnap a bunch of sentient adult beings while telling them you know what’s good for them better than they do. Sounds a lot like our politicians….and nobody trusts them either.
Make no mistake, the primary issue here is freedom of choice, not trust.
The Faih race is collectively wallowing in self pity over what happened to the Ith, even though in *that* case they did the right thing – they tried to prevent an extinction level event *and* gave the Ith a choice in the matter of whether or not they would fight for their own survival. The subsequent despotic Ith oligarchy of power while the Faih are off trying to finish the job can only marginally be blamed on the Faih, the suggestion is the Ith would have done this to themselves given the chance regardless of Faih interference. And an enslaved race is still marginally better than an extinct race, since a ray of hope still exists for a better future, as opposed to NO future.
But the Faih are now so concerned about interference they’re missing the whole point – which is to give a race the freedom of opportunity, to *choose* to save itself in the face of an extinction level event. Without that freedom of choice, they are little better than the despots now in control of Ith.
(All of this presumes that what we readers have learned so far is the truth, and yet-to-be-revealed truths could still radically alter this.)
The thing with the Ith is definitely something the Fiah should be ashamed of, and it’s definitely something that was their fault. If you give a small minority incredibly advanced technology, they’re going to use it, and chances are good that they aren’t going to be distributing it evenly. We saw this with Afghanistan, after the Russians invaded and the CIA started supplying the Taliban with training and weapons without spending any money on actually rebuilding the country.
At the end of the day, they spent all their time on making the Ith competent military allies without spending any time on helping them to advance in any other way; that’s criminally stupid.
(That said yeah this feels a lot more like a story about how the Fiah are incompetent in every possible way despite being extremely advanced, as opposed to a sob-story about why the Fiah are incompetent _now_.)
I don’t deny the Fiah have some culpability here, and your reference to Afghanistan has some merit. But comparing the two situations is like comparing apples and oranges; the Afghan people were not facing an extinction level event like the Ith were, nor was the USA expending all its own resources against (or even directly involved in) the fight against Russia like the Fiah were.
You call the USA criminally stupid for not providing more than just military assistance, but the flipside is that you are denying the Afghan people their own culpability, as if they are children incapable of being responsible enough to handle the gifts provided them to assist in securing their own freedom. In that case, would the USA have been equally criminal in simply choosing not to help at all? Do you include the rest of the world’s government equally in that criminal culpability if so?
At the end of the day, as adults we are all responsible for our own actions, whatever the situation that got us where we are; that applies to countries as well as individuals, and it seems equally negligent to suggest otherwise.
Amending my response – as you say, if one is going to interfere at all as the Fiah chose to do, it is stupid to only do so militarily and not provide additional “uplift” assistance. That said, I wouldn’t go so far as to call it criminal, is all; both sides have culpability here. Besides, what we the readers know of Fiah society suggests they never went through similar growing pains as a society, and therefore had little or no foresight that this might happen.
I think I may have misspoken. I’m not trying to say that the Ith aren’t responsible for what they did; I’m just trying to say that the Fiah are guilty, too.
What goes around comes around.
Doesn’t seem right really. I think I would feel somewhat insulted that her species would interfere without even an explanation to us about why.
What really upsets me though is that most humans know how dangerous intercultural interactions are even at our relatively undeveloped technology among the same species. If a human child had written that primer on humans they would have likely been lucky to have received a passing mark. An adult would likely be charged with criminal negligence.
I guess my frustration comes from sympathizing with her. She probably trusts their good will, but after being kidnapped and subsequently reading their “primer” I know I wouldn’t trust their competence. Especially if the Fiah haven’t started learning from their new experiences.
I won’t say the Fiah are necessarily wrong, but their plan isn’t as completely right as it should be. Relocating a species, especially without their input, must be a massive feat with little room for error. Even if the error was from the kindest of ignorance it would cause enough suffering to leave any species paranoid.
Having given this more thought, I too find the situation odd. Fiah are portrayed as a cooperative species, not a contesting one like humanity (or the Ith?). For the Fiah, presumably just surviving their environment is challenging enough, no need to invent inter-species squabbles to alleviate boredom. Which might explain their willingness to accept stuff at face value.
That said however, they are a mature race who has encountered multiple other species and even survived their own extinction level event. They have first hand proof that at least some of those other species are not at all like themselves, so it seems strange they *wouldn’t* be aware of the pitfalls of interspecies and intercultural interactions. This is especially true of humanity since even a cursory glance at our history would point to many similarities to the Ith, whom they have lots of experience with. At the very least, it suggests considerable and almost willful ignorance on the part of pretty much any Fiah who was participating in the Exodus project.
So, assuming Ran & Cory have thought this far ahead, one wonders what the big picture is that we’re still missing. In light of all this, why does the species primer seem almost *designed* to only provide the barest detail necessary to perform a kidnapping? How is it possible for Ethma and Endi, described as prime examples of the Fiah’s best and brightest, to be that ignorant of the consequences of their actions? I do wonder how it will all be explained away.
Anyone noticing the distinct lack of a reason on the primer or how the conflict spawned? It’s great that the fiah were so nice so long ago, there are no answers here. Crow face is hiding something.
To be fair, the primers aren’t so much vague as they are entirely about language, diet, habitat, mannerisms, biology, etc.–they’re more like care manuals for a pet than they are history books.
That’s fine, that still doesn’t fix the problem with the primers or why the ith primer seems to be used for the humans. Ethma may not necessarily be withholding information, but I’ve got the sense that information is not being volunteered. There’s a couple things going on in this narrative that are pointing me in one direction.
Well, since we are the readers and not the kidnapped, it’s just as acceptable to hate her since the kidnappers are the beloved main characters anyway 😉
Its important to remember she was doing Exactly what the Ith did, Taking Advantage of the big Dumb Bird Naive Alien Doogooders.
The big dumb bird naive alien doogooder who kidnapped them without any explanation and nearly placed them in stasis tubes indefinitely. Yes. Correct.
So, they are completely monitored all the time. Makes you trust the aliens even more: They record all of your conversations… – For your own good, of course… 😉
Lay it on her Ethma, she deserves it. No one gets away with manipulating kind people for a good cause when kindness was an equally valid alternative.
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